Sunbird ID please

This one should be female Crimson Sunbird
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How about this? Juvenile??
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possible.... but too hard to be sure, do have the look of a Crimson.....

jytou wrote:possible.... but too hard to be sure, do have the look of a Crimson.....

Got both of them at difference place and difference day... both of them came out when I play crimson sunbird call.
#1 can almost sure is female crimson sunbird , #2&3 not so sure because the colour a bit difference with #1
But anyway thank you Master Tou.

They dont resemble the garden Brown-throated and Olive-backed for sure.

At a forest edge, you could expect Purple-throated and Crimson, and some locations probably even Temminck's.

The brown kind of coloration however drag me towards the Crimson/Temminck's group.

I dont always trust callback results as many species would often react to closely related species or potential threats and competitors. The Ashy Tailors would react to my Dark-necked Tailor playbacks as well, I have also seen Common tailor reacting to the same calls.

Ok! I think it's crimson, there was no Temminck at that place...
Thank you very much Master Tau

You have the species right - both are Crimson, but the ages are 'terbalik'!

People often make the mistake of assuming 'scruffy' birds are juveniles whereas neat ones are adults. In fact, because the adults have often been hard at work hunting and rearing their young, and also go through periodic moults of some of their feathers, adults are far more likely to look 'scruffy', whereas juveniles, whose feathers are all the same age, always look nice and fresh, and are often slightly brighter than adults too.

So the top bird is a juvenile and the lower two are of an adult female.

digdeep1962 wrote:You have the species right - both are Crimson, but the ages are 'terbalik'!

People often make the mistake of assuming 'scruffy' birds are juveniles whereas neat ones are adults. In fact, because the adults have often been hard at work hunting and rearing their young, and also go through periodic moults of some of their feathers, adults are far more likely to look 'scruffy', whereas juveniles, whose feathers are all the same age, always look nice and fresh, and are often slightly brighter than adults too.

So the top bird is a juvenile and the lower two are of an adult female.

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you very much